01:24:09] <+Claudy> hmmm
[01:24:25] <+Claudy> i'm seriously considering to preorder/buy a ps move bundle
[01:27:04] <+Claudy> he concept is awesome, and i think it has a bigger chance of being accurate than the Wii
[01:27:24] <+Claudy> seeing the camera/reciever is on the tv itself, instead of in the controller
[01:28:15] <+Mako> nuh really, it has less sensory awareness
[01:28:20] <+Claudy> the Wii has an inverted system, where the Wiimote is the actual reciever, while the sensorbar is mainly just for sending the guiding point
[01:28:56] <+Mako> aware, hence why candles work
[01:29:06] <+Mako> the move will bomb hard
[01:29:42] <+Claudy> heh
[01:29:49] <+Claudy> i never tried candles on it
[01:30:18] <+Claudy> though, that trick is as old as the road to rome
[01:30:26] <+Claudy> you could also do that on the NES
[01:30:29] <+Claudy> with duckhunt
[01:30:55] <+Mako> yupyup
[01:31:06] <+Mako> kinect has potential, but demonstrations have been troublesome
[01:31:07] <+Claudy> just aim at a lamp, or other bright source of white light, and it does'nt matters if yer shooting to the other isde of the room, it will always hit, regardless of acuracy
[01:31:19] <+Mako> move won't catch on because no add-on ever has, ever
[01:31:27] <+Claudy> hmm ?
[01:31:53] <+Mako> through out the entire history of gaming if it didn't launch with it, it fails
[01:32:01] <+Mako> genesis being a shining example of this
[01:32:05] <+Claudy> heh
[01:32:17] <+Mako> cd, 32x, 3d glasses, motion ring
[01:32:30] <+Mako> no one used the lightgun for the nes outside of duckhunt
[01:32:32] <+Claudy> well, the story of the genesis is one, where they were deliberately extending the life of a console that was on lifesupport for most of its career
[01:32:45] <+Claudy> and hogans alley, and such
[01:32:55] <+Claudy> i got a pirate with 4 games on them for the zapper
[01:33:12] <+Mako> you personally do not make something a success
[01:33:34] <+Claudy> the sega cd was a piece of good intended technology, though too primitive for its time
[01:33:36] <+Mako> powerglove, power mat, u-force, superscope
[01:33:39] <+Mako> the list goes on
[01:33:49] <+Claudy> superscope was for the snes
[01:33:56] <+Claudy> and it was retarded, yes
[01:34:02] <+Mako> i'm not just talking about the genesis
[01:34:14] <+Claudy> the powerglove was just an addon
[01:34:27] <+Mako> ANY gaming add-on meant to expand the console has always failed.
[01:34:30] <+Claudy> not official though
[01:34:36] <+Claudy> not exactly
[01:34:42] <+Mako> yes it was... it was developed by nintendo
[01:34:42] <+Claudy> the wii balance board works
[01:35:05] <+Mako> the wii is an exception because they rely almost solely on first party software
[01:35:10] <+Claudy> heh
[01:35:16] <+Claudy> and shovelware :/
[01:35:48] <+Claudy> it gets called either an xb arcade game, or a psn mini, but it gets the fully fledged glory of a cdcase for the Wii :/
[01:36:14] <+Claudy> its just ranked in the budget division though :+
[01:36:18] <+Mako> nintendo has no quality control
[01:36:33] <+Mako> hence why majority of third party wii games suck
[01:36:36] <+Claudy> partially
[01:36:48] <+Mako> read closer
[01:36:49] <+Claudy> basically they left this loophole in to print money
[01:37:07] <+Claudy> they did the same with the nes
[01:37:14] <+Mako> no, not at all
[01:37:20] <+Claudy> if you knew how, you could do whatever you want with it
[01:37:36] <+Mako> nes actually had strict policies, just a lot of shit games got through, majority of them unlicensed
[01:37:43] <+Mako> that policy was dropped with the snes
[01:37:48] <+Claudy> same is still accurate, if you know how, you can get the homebrew chan, and hence you can indiedev 
[01:37:53] <+Mako> to compete with genesis
[01:38:06] <+Mako> thats entirely different
[01:38:16] <+Claudy> its just that now its a business
[01:38:22] <+Mako> unlicensed does not equate to homebrew and pirated software
[01:38:25] <+Claudy> back then it had the golden P word 
[01:38:46] <+Claudy> pirate cartridges often also contained homebrew, or really miserable games
[01:39:05] Mako facepalms
[01:39:33] <+Mako> nes's worst games were things liked wisdom tree games where they were a publisher and a business, not just hobbyists
[01:39:48] <+Claudy> there are worse games than that
[01:39:56] <+Claudy> ljn >_>
[01:39:59] <+Mako> things like
[01:40:02] <+Mako> READ
[01:40:07] Mako face palms
[01:40:11] Claudy sighs
[01:40:14] <+Mako> your talking out of your fluffy butt cabbit
01:40:54] Claudy sighs
[01:41:16] <+Mako> modernized? that was decades ago.... you can't compare that to the hacking the console to play pirated and homebrew games on the wii
[01:41:41] <+Claudy> yes, modernized
[01:42:03] <+Mako> no... you're comparing apples and oranges
[01:42:13] <+Claudy> though nowadays, the world is'nt that small anymore
[01:42:44] <+Mako> hobbyist pirates are not modernized companies that circumvented nes locks to increase profit margins by releasing more games under budget labels...
[01:43:12] <+Mako> apples
[01:43:13] <+Mako> and
[01:43:13] <+Mako> oranges
[01:43:15] <+Claudy> every intelligent being, can predict that piracy, and related cases, always guarantee a steady extra flow of dosh 
[01:44:09] <+Claudy> hence companies with lesser cashflow, can diy a console, and get their own dirt cheap devkit, with some soldering, and some patience
[01:44:17] <+Mako> i'm going to end this because you don't have any clue wtf your talking about
[01:44:26] Claudy sighs
[01:44:31] <+Claudy> well, fien
[01:44:41] <+Mako> no one makes profits from the wiis homebrew channel
[01:44:43] <+Claudy> i count that as a loss for yhe
[01:44:56] <+Claudy> ofcourse they dont </obvious> 
[01:45:08] <+Mako> then your comparison is retarded
[01:45:11] <+Claudy> its not
[01:45:12] <+Mako> it's two ENTIRELY different things
[01:45:15] <+Mako> yes
[01:45:15] <+Claudy> its not
[01:45:16] <+Mako> it is
[01:45:17] <+Claudy> nop
[01:45:19] <+Mako> it is
[01:45:22] <+Claudy> impossible
[01:45:24] <+Claudy> implausible
[01:45:27] <+Claudy> myth busted
[01:46:13] <+Claudy> it would be pretty retarded to deny the fakt that piracy yields big N big profit
[01:46:50] <+Mako> your saying that the wii homebrew channel is modernized of what was down by companies back in the 80's to increase profits by releasing games circumventing the nes10 lockout chip, then going on to say piracy guarantees cash flow.. and you delve into nonsensical dribble
[01:46:53] <+Mako> retarded
[01:46:56] <+Mako> *you're
[01:47:15] <+Claudy> since pirates are eventually legal consumers, who will viralize a market, taking in consideration that the internet was'nt there yet in the 1980's, yet we had bbs-es
[01:47:33] <+Claudy> *
[01:47:46] <+Mako> seriously... you have no fucking clue what you're talking about
[01:47:50] <+Claudy> the whole exposure is way bigger thanks to the internet, hence there is more money to be made
[01:47:58] <+Claudy> hence people buy consoles
[01:48:03] <+Claudy> hence ninty makes profit
[01:48:10] <+Mako> by hobbyist pirates who aren't selling anything at a profit
[01:48:13] <+Claudy> hence smalltime devvers do a grab to the buck
[01:48:20] <+Mako> seriously, you sound retarded
[01:48:22] <+Claudy> hance the circle is complete
[01:48:40] <+Claudy> hence*
[01:48:48] <+Mako> no... there is no circle, you've just spouted nonsense from your ass
[01:48:55] <+Claudy> it may sound retarded, but then again, i guess businessmen are retarded tooo then
[01:49:11] <+Mako> no one is doing that
[01:49:17] <+Claudy> noone makes money ?
[01:49:17] <+Mako> you just don't know what you're talking abouit
[01:49:28] <+Mako> oh ho ho strawmen
[01:49:31] <+Mako> yay logical fallcies
[01:49:42] <+Mako> further cementing you are being retarded
[01:49:47] <+Claudy> everyone makes money in a business where there is money
[01:49:56] <+Claudy> it just depends on how you make your profit
[01:50:03] <+Mako> hobbyist priates who use the wii homebrew channel don't make anythibng
[01:50:13] <+Mako> which is what you branched this off of
[01:50:19] <+Claudy> they rake in other profit though
[01:50:29] <+Mako> you're trying to dig yourself out of a whole by using a red herring
[01:50:31] <+Mako> *hole
[01:50:32] <+Mako> no
[01:50:34] <+Mako> they don't
[01:50:35] <+Claudy> i dont
[01:50:44] <+Claudy> they rake in publicity
[01:50:51] <+Claudy> which is also something of value
[01:51:06] <+Mako> stretching the analogy, another fallacy
[01:51:16] <+Mako> incongruent comparison
[01:51:17] <+Claudy> nop
[01:51:28] <+Mako> seriously... know when you sound like a moron
[01:51:35] <+Claudy> thanks
[01:52:07] <+Claudy> know when you place yourself above someone unrightfully by misunderstanding ones simple analogy given by trade
[01:52:11] <+Mako> saying nope when you just said what i've described doesn't make you correct. It only makes you look like a immature brat
[01:52:24] <+Claudy> fine for me
[01:52:24] <+Mako> no, your analogy is retarded because it's not comparable
[01:52:30] <+Claudy> how so ?
[01:52:36] <+Mako> and contains a lot of factually incorrect information
[01:52:41] <+Mako> so read, i just explained that
[01:52:42] <+Claudy> how so ?
[01:52:42] <+Mako> *go
[01:52:51] Claudy sighs
[01:54:15] <+Mako> hobbyist pirates using the wii's homebrew channel aren't making profit, they're hobbyists. comparing that to companies of the nes era is incongruent. saying publicity is profit is stretching the analogy as the base concept is still incomparablke
[01:54:20] <+Claudy> everyone knows that most of the usage of the homebrew channel is for usage of illegal software, and for usage of cios 249 and cios 36/39 
[01:54:29] <+Mako> "everyone knows" appeal to authority
[01:54:34] <+Mako> again, logical fallacy
[01:54:40] <+Claudy> why else would the screen be inverted when theres an unofficial ios detected
[01:54:53] <+Claudy> bittorrent is also mainly used for copyright infringement
[01:54:59] <+Mako> the entire usage is non-profit
[01:55:13] <+Mako> there is no profit at all made by them from their creations
[01:55:35] <+Mako> publicity means nothing, as they're not selling a product
[01:55:36] <+Claudy> yet again, most people boot into a diskmanager, or use the hbc for installing or uninstalling custom roms via the known programs
[01:55:37] <+Mako> npo profit
[01:56:07] <+Mako> and again you're using a re herring trying to stray away from the explanation of why your analogy was retarded
[01:56:10] <+Mako> *red
[01:56:13] Claudy sighs
[01:56:25] <+Claudy> no, i am just expanding it, and explaining it how i meant it
[01:56:40] <+Claudy> piracy nets profit for everyone
[01:56:48] <+Claudy> even for those who sell backups
[01:57:05] <+Mako> now you're on an entirely different topic
[01:57:06] <+Claudy> if i find a good game i pirated, i'll usually buy it
[01:57:19] <+Mako> because just a moment ago you were comparing them to ljn
[01:57:27] <+Mako> and no, most people aren't making a profit
[01:57:40] <+Mako> the pirates aren't, the rippers aren't
[01:57:51] <+Claudy> hence i give profit to shopkeeper, in case of a consolegame, or i buy it on steam, in which case valve + dev/distributor gets dosh 
[01:58:00] <+Mako> the company may make a profit with people who decide to buy a product after purchasing it
[01:58:21] <+Mako> but comparing this to the practices of wisdom tree and ljn is incongruent
[01:58:35] <+Mako> they're entirely different things
[01:58:45] <+Claudy> and yes, ljn falls under shittiest games, made by people who should have never have gotten money 
[01:59:02] <+Claudy> they got bought out by universal at some point though :_)
[01:59:38] <+Mako> again, straying away on random points here without conceding your comparison is in consistent
[01:59:38] <+Claudy> kinda like giving money to a bunch of complete strangers or highwaymen
[01:59:49] <+Mako> *inconsistent
[01:59:55] <+Claudy> eventually they died off \o/
[02:00:22] <+Claudy> though, to get back on the piracy issue
[02:01:00] <+Mako> no really i'm done... i'm just going to get more annoyed at you for talking outta your cabbit hole
[02:01:20] <+Claudy> some smalltime devvers also apply for such ways, to circumvent the buying of an expensive devkit :x
[02:01:37] <+Claudy> fien
[02:02:17] <+Claudy> i'm glad to hear you totally misinterpret my way of looking at things, rendering a conversation on a decent level nearly impossible
[02:08:41] <+Claudy> there will be one day though, when some will say that good old herr Claudius von K. was speaking the truth :)
[02:18:29] <+Claudy> after all, nothing more is a human strange, is one human proclaiming another to be a heretic.
[02:19:13] <+Claudy> it has happened in all ages, and it will most likely happen in all ages, unless humanity woudl change its ways for the good :_)
[02:19:45] <+Claudy> (which will take us another 10 generations or more)
[02:25:12] <+Claudy> after all, most sinners will be sitting in the front rows in the church of life, in hope of misleading life's judgement, proclaiming to be good citizens, instead of repenting.
[02:25:15] <+Claudy> for being the heretics they in reality are